Jordan Peterson on the meaning of life for men. MUST WATCH


Well I’ll tell you a couple of strange things that the things that I don’t really understand the first is when we’ve done the analysis Of the effects of the future authoring program it has had a different It’s differential impact on men and it’s had a particularly differential impact on what I would call excluded men, and so that would be non-western ethnic minority men or or What? Majority, man who are doing very well so for example at Mohawk College The future authoring program had a particularly robust effect on Mohawk College students who were men who hadn’t done very well in high school And who hadn’t picked a major that had a destination a career destination at its end so you can imagine those people are they have an ambiguous relationship with the idea of education and They’re not oriented specifically towards a goal. They’re not very motivated Now why did it have a differential effect on men? That’s a good question Well first of all the women are doing better so It might just be a matter of the fact that it does better for people who aren’t doing as well and at the moment most Of them are men I don’t believe I think that might be part of it, but I don’t believe that’s all of it I think that part of the reason that women are doing better is cuz they’re agreeable and So if a system sets out a structure and says here’s a pathway to attainment The women won’t rebel against that they’ll go along with it and that’s working very well for them at the moment the men especially the men on the disagreeable end of the distribution And there’s way more men on the district disagreeable end of the distribution, then there are women right That’s what you get from if you look at overlapping normal distributions, so there’s the male district female distribution for agreeableness male distribution for agreeableness tremendous overlap Okay, women are higher all the really agreeable people are women all the really disagreeable people are men And maybe the real differences occur at the extremes right so so and it’s it’s a very interesting side effect of overlapping Distributions, so they people can be mostly the same But that can still produce radical differences Disagreeable men won’t do anything they don’t want to do They just say up yours I’ll go home and play video games With you no. I’m not listening to your stupid and Why should I work for you? I’ll just go have fun I’ll do my own thing I don’t think they’re motivated and so then if you take the men who are like that and you say, okay. What do you want? You can have what you want But you have to figure out what it is So then they write down what they want they think oh hey well that might be worth having so maybe I’ll put some effort into It that’s what it looks like to me now You know that’s weak evidence, and this is a weak argument, but I’m trying to stretch out my understanding to account for this But I’ll tell you something else that’s really weird. I don’t understand this either, so More than 90% of the people who watch my videos on YouTube are men now that’s weird because not about 80% of psychology students are women so that is not what you would expect right you would expect that the Majority of them would be women and you might say well it’s because of the political stance I’ve taken and I thought well that’s possible so I went looked at the demographic data because I have That well before I did any of the political videos 85% of my viewers were men so it’s actually increased a bit, it’s increased by 6% and that’s not trivial But it was still overwhelmingly men, so that was interesting. I thought what the hell why is that exactly and then now I’ve been watching crowds when I’ve been talking to them and The crowds that have come to see me in person this happened at the University of Toronto free speech debate and I actually noticed it and Commented on it before the debate took place because I was talking about intrinsic differences between men and women and I looked around the room And I thought hmm hey 80% of the people in this room are men So I had all the men’s women and women stand up and then all the men stand up I said look like here’s a natural experiment For some reason 80% of the people who showed up to this or men now everybody thought I was kind of cracked to to do that and it was a risk You know what and all right, but I thought no weather something going on here And then what’s interesting now is that every public appearance that I’ve made that’s related to the sort of topics that we’re discussing is Overwhelmingly men it’s like it’s like 85 to 90% And so I thought wow that’s weird like what the hell’s going on here exactly, and then the other thing. I’ve noticed is that? I’ve been talking a lot to the crowds that I’ve been talking to not about rights But about responsibility right because he can’t have the bloody. What are you doing? You can’t have the conversation about rights without the conversation about responsibility because your rights are my Responsibility that’s what they are technically so you just can’t have only half of that discussion And we’re only having half that discussion and the question is well What the hell are you leaving out if you only have that half of the discussion and the answer is what you’re leaving out Responsibility and then the question is well What are you leaving out if you’re leaving out responsibility and the answer might be well, maybe you’re leaving out the meaning of life That’s what it looks like to me. It’s like here you are Suffering away, what makes it worthwhile, right? you know you’re completely out you’re completely you have no idea what you’re You it’s almost impossible to describe how bad an idea that is Responsibility That’s what gives life meaning It’s like lift a load Then you can tolerate yourself right because look at your useless Easily hurt easily killed. Why should you have any self-respect? That’s the story of the fall Pick something up and carry it pick make it heavy enough so that you can think yeah well Useless as I am at least I could move that from there to there well What’s really cool about that is that when I talk to these crowds about this the man’s eyes light up, and that’s very good I’ve seen that phenomena because I’ve been talking about this mythological material for a long time and I can see when I’m watching crowds people You know their eyebrows lift their eyes let light up because I put something together for them. That’s what mythological stories Do so I’m not taking responsibility for that That’s what the stories do so I save the story people go click click click You know in their eyes light up, but this responsibility thing That’s a whole new order of this is that young men are so hungry for that it is unbelievable And one of the things I’ve been talking to some of the people who’ve been Running for the conservative leadership in Canada, and I’ve been talking to them about well the difficulties They have communicating with young people because conservatives What what the hell are they going to sell to young people right because being conservative is something that happens when you’re older they can sell responsibility No, one’s selling it and the thing is for men. There’s nothing about responsibility You know I was watching The Simpsons the other day I watched the first Simpsons episode And I deconstructed it and so it’s really interesting so what happens in the first Simpson episode is that? It’s Christmas and homer and Marge are going to buy some Christmas presents, but Homer doesn’t get his Christmas bonus And so he’s absolutely crushed by that and that Actually is a recurring theme in The Simpsons where Homer loses his job or something like that or can tonight make enough money He’s completely crushed even though he’s kind of useless bumbling Laughing fool of a guy. You know the thing that gives that show its soul is that he’s still oriented towards his family That’s what makes him honorable is that? Foolish as he is he’s decided to adopt Responsibility for his family and to try to bear that and so he’s not he’s a holy fool He’s not a complete fool And it’s so interesting watching the story because he suffers dreadfully as a consequence of not being able to fulfill his responsibilities well That’s for men Women have their sets of responsibilities. They’re not the same Right because they’re complicated because women of course have to take primary Responsibility for for having infants at least but then also for caring for them there they’re structured differently than men For biological necessity even if it’s not a psychological issue and it’s also partly a psychological issue women know what they have to do men have to figure out what they have to do, and if they have nothing worth living for then they stay Peter Pat and Why the hell not? because the alternative to valued responsibility is Impulsive low-class Pleasure and you saw that in the Pinocchio story right that’s Pleasure Island, it’s like well Why lift the load if there’s nothing in it for you? That’s another thing that we’re doing to men. That’s a very bad idea and to boys it’s like You’re pathological and oppressive. It’s like fine. Then why the hell am I going to play That’s that if that’s the situation if I get no credit for bearing responsibility It could bloody well be sure I’m not going to bear it but then you know your life is useless and meaningless and you have you’re not you’re full of self-contempt and nihilism and and That’s not good, and so that’s why I think all right That’s what I think’s going At a deeper level with regards to men needing this direction a man has to decide that he’s going to do something He has to decide that yeah, well. You know partly what you’re trying to do in the future authoring processes say, okay well What’s your highest value? Right it’s the star. It’s like. Okay. What are you aiming for you can decide man, but you know there’s some criteria It should be good for you. It should be good for you in a way that facilitates your moving forward Maybe it should be good for you in a way. That’s also good for the family in the community it should cover the the domain of life I mean there’s constraints on what you should regard as a value, but you but within those constraints you have the Choice you have choice Well the thing is is that people will carry a heavy load if they get to pick the goddamn load So and they think well I won’t carry any load It’s like okay fine But then you’re like the sled dog that doesn’t have a sled to pull you’re just gonna You’re gonna tear pieces out of your own legs because you’re bored. You know you need people are pack animals They need they need to pull against a weight, and and that’s not true for everyone it’s not true particularly say for low conscientious people I mean maybe they’re open and creative or extroverted and some other things but for the for the typical person They’ll eat themselves they’ll eat themselves up unless they have a load this is why there’s such an opiate epidemic among Dispossessed white middle-aged guys who are unemployed in the u.s.. It’s like they lose their job. They’re done Right they despise themselves. They develop chronic pain syndromes and depression and the chronic pain is treated with opiates It’s like that’s what we’re doing so Yeah, that’s what it looks like to me is you you have to and it’s so interesting to watch the young men when you talk To them about responsibility, there’s a god damn thrilled about it. It just blows me away. It’s like really. That’s what’s that’s the counterculture Grow the hell up and do something useful really I could do that oh I’m so excited by that idea no one ever mentioned that before it’s like rights rights rights rights Jesus It’s it’s it’s appalling. It’s a it’s and and I feel that that’s deeply felt by the people who are who are coming out to To listen to these sorts of things – they’re they’ve had enough of that So and they better have because it’s it’s a non-productive mode of being Responsibility man that’s where the meeting in life is so

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  1. I always believe that the essence of adulthood is that we are now able to take RESPONSIBILITY. Having family or a job is a good start. Have one rather than attending rallies and shouting in the streets. Responsibilty starts when you take control of your life. You can't protest the bigger issue of life if you are not able to first take hold of your balls, figuratively and literally, and do something useful about it.

  2. the load you pick should fit you best. if it is too heavy there is no meaning of what you do. and there must be a good balance between responsibility and reward. always responsibility makes people get bored.

  3. ok here goes.Personal takeon Opioid crisis for guys losing their job.
    i had been working for Ministry of Defense as Asst Mgr Procurement. During my 4 years of service there i had become a better person, managing office hours with family friends as well as being physical and mentally fit. Everything was going great at home as well as at work till the time my head of Dep was retired and new HOD took his place. The new management was keen on bringing in their friends etc and decided to cut down some existing Human resource. I was one of those unfortunate people. Long story shot i tried my best to retain the job but to no avail. During the final months of my job i got married (During this time i changed my Department had a very good interview with the MD etc). Just one month before my marriage ceremony my name was excluded from the employee list .
    I was so emotionally de stable that i stopped talking to my soon to be wife on the phone i didnt know what to say or how to say. but a friend of mine corrected me and i had to somehow overcome all the reality and pretend to be happy and started talking to her daily. she did asked me what happen during the past week but i just lied that im too busy scheduling about our ceremony event.

    During this time i started doing drugs in order to elevate my endorphins and not be gloomy/psycotic. I received severance pay and end of emp benefits so luckily money was not that much of an issue at that time.
    Finally i got married and the first 2 months passed by like a flash. 3rd month i realized that i have gotten addicted to it and cuz i had nothing else to do all day except sit back watch netflix and eat all day i couldnt pull myself away from drugs.
    but as you know fate usually plays its part. My dealer got busted. i had no other alternative as he was the only one who used to sell unaltered drugs. he had insane Quality control over his merchandize. so i had to spend 4 days of exterme physical and mental withdrawls. The worst part i couldnt let me wife know that i used to do recreational drugs which had ultimately turn into an addiction.
    Now im still jobless but i have quit drugs. I dont know what to do anymore as now joblessness in out country is on all time high. I am taking loans after loans to just pass the days barely surviving.

  4. You college students listening to Jordan Peterson in class are the luckiest sons of bitches alive.

  5. Fucking right.
    Never really heard this put to words in this way.

    As a man, looking at my life… the ONLY things that bring me joy and pride in myself are the things that generate the most burden and responsibility.

    Personal responsibility and responsibility to others is so greatly lacking in this society…

  6. Authoring Program: some program JP made to help reflect and change our personal lives or something like that

  7. Yah women are definitely not super agreeable, more just unwilling to strike out on their own and feeling better in a group dynamic system of ease and attainment of security. Thats just nature. Men on the other hand, can be highly individualistic, philosophical, adventurous to the point of self destruction while being fearless and at ease in a group as much as alone. The issue is that, whenever a civilization has in the past begun to experience wide unrest as well as gender identity crisis, personal and life identity crisis, lack of purpose, and terribly wide spread emasculation, eventually those civilizations fall due. Whether due to lack of defenders, workers or a stable social structure or any combination of things, said societies eat away from within until theres nothing left. This happened in almost all great civilizations that are no more, they all went through much of the exact same upheavals as any other in the modern age, and they collapsed one way or the other. YEt humans are still here somehow. Men, as in the past , just have to do as they have always done, and go their own way at times. Whether going it alone, with other men for support, or being around or excluding women like some monks do, its up to the individual to find out what fate has in store. Let the dice fall where they wilt.

  8. Women are agreeable through the books they teach today are agreeable they have been changed over the years looking to book 30 years ago on the same subject compared to today 30 years ago I don't read that much but even I know this

  9. Jordan's program had a particularly big impact on men who hadn't done well in high school. Who else appeals to aimless men in modern culture? Trump, Brexit, far right wing movements across most of the western world.

  10. When you internalize the expectations of others as the norm to evaluate your elevation among each other, then place that burden upon the young failure has already begun.

  11. The reason why there's so many man in Jordans meeting is because the left attacking traditional role models and traditional institutions, as to what is manly and what is girly and have gradually removed the natural differences between man and woman and what is expected by them. Because of this many people feel lost because society is changing everything. It is also a fact that the leftis society is very hostle to man. This changecis cultural marxisme and communism to destroy a society. To hell with leftism.

  12. 5:56 he was completely right. I was listening to everything and around this point, my eyes opened up and my eyebrows lifted. He has a lot of great knowledge.

  13. Jordan Peterson makes dumbass beta male youtuber trash feel accomplished by having them win internet arguments instead of achieving anything in real life.

  14. Umm…i took on a ton of responsibility with the goal in mind of one day having no responsibilities and just enjoying life shrugs doesnt seem meaningless to me sounds like a helluva party!

  15. I agree a with a lot of this. However, as I bear the cross of life's condition, I not only become stronger (the masculine virtue), I also become infinitely more compassionate (the feminine virtue). It's through the lens of our absurd condition (suffering) that it becomes possible to see your truest self in another, making possible a more satisfying and unconditional form of love (God's love).

  16. i think every man comes to a point in life where he believes JP has a lot of wisdom to offer and also comes to a point in life where he believes JP is an utter idiot.

  17. Some women might not watch due to your political points, I think mostly they like to get advice from women even if it isn't the truth, look at cosmo, glamour, etc… They always say how to turn your man on, then some big elaborate deal ensues. instead of getting sexy and take him to bed, then leave him alone for a bit, no nagging.

  18. Am I the only person who's excited to read the comment section on his youtube videos as I am listening to his lectures. Thank you for all the wonderful people who share their equally wonderful thoughts here. For all the men like me out there, I hope we find that goal/vision/dream in which we can focus all our efforts to and become the man we hope to be. Sky is the limit my friends. I pray we all make it in the end and say to ourselves "I've had a fulfilling life and it's fun while it lasted".

  19. I think the disproportion between male and female viewers is due to you alienating women when you say women know what they have to do, they just need to have kids and take care of them. This is not the only purpose for women and for some women this is not a purpose at all. And for some men this is their sole purpose. People are different and you alienate them by putting them in boxes they don't feel they belong in.

  20. I've been trying to figure out what to be responsible with, or find my passion that will never bore me, and I can't find anything interesting, or worthwhile, only thing I figured out I like are videogames and that's it, as a goal is already given to me and I am responsible for either achieving it or not, and I want to achieve it and it makes me satisfied.

  21. I really want an imaginary conversation about responsibility between Jordan Peterson and Rick (from Rick and Morty). I dont know why.

  22. Is anyone else at the point where the only thing keeping you from committing suicide is your relationship with god?

  23. Just creating arbitrary burdens for yourself does not create meaning. Making dumb choices like buying a house and car that maxes out your credit limits just so you can have bills you have to pay does not create meaning or satisfaction at all. This is vague advice and not good advice at all.

  24. My question is how do I know what career I want when I have no ambition or drives for anything. I have no interests, so how do I choose a career?

  25. My value that answers my individual question about the meaning of life is to leave something behind. Meaning after I'm all dust, I want a beautiful wife by my side, and my children growing up to be better then me so they can do the same and better, I want to share my happiness with everyone possible by spreading my values, it mostly revolves around the family but I want to give more. Like Dennis prager say.

  26. 8:36 "If i get no credit for bearing responsibility it could bloody well be sure I'm not going to bear it" Very relatable, life is useless

  27. He seems like the wise professor from any generation. He dresses like it too.

    Most of what he says is excellent, but he should NOT be judging the PUAs 😉

  28. Do something? What does that mean? Cover the domain of life? Choice? People are pack animals? Then use opiates as an excuse? Jordan does not understand anything about reality. Here's the truth: everything is a one up. And each one up is concurrently a one down.

  29. I don't think responsibility has anything to do with it. It's really the supporting and encouraging female companionship that totally overshadows everything else. Unfortunately after a day or a week or a month or a year, women always tell me they dislike me, without exception. But they always keep it a secret for a while. It makes me barf every time I think about them. After going through that about 30+ times in a row, yeah, it's starting to get ridiculous.

  30. How can one fix the problem, if they don’t understand the problem? Watching these videos is like Bradley Cooper taking the pill in Limitless. A moment of clarity.

  31. I agree that having responsibilities does give meaning to your life. I definitely agree with that. However when there are too many responsibilities, it becomes a huge burden and you are spread too thin. Having two jobs, a home, pets, children, and a wife, I have my attention spread many different ways throughout the day all day long. It’s overwhelming and gives me very little free time if any to do things that I enjoy by myself. there are plenty of times where I would love to reduce the amount of responsibilities that I have. Always doing something for somebody or something else all the time is not enjoyable. To allow any free time to myself only reduces the time that I should be spending with the other responsibilities. It just never ends. I don’t even know how rationally to fix this. Even after watching this video and writing this comment, I am losing out on sleep that I desperately need. LOL

  32. I can appreciate where Petey is coming from, but the real issue I've never seen him address when discussing things like dread, hopelessness or nihilism is wether there might be validity to them. "Young men have no responsibility in their lives". What if responsibility, the thing that gives life meaning according to Peterson, has no value itself? What if the individual has come to the conclusion that everything is simply a series of actions and reactions with absolutely no worth. How can you possibly hope to combat this form of nihilism without jumping to the optimistic nihilist or 'chemical imbalance' trope? I don't think I've ever seen Peterson acknowledge this directly.

  33. Because women are bread to obey… they don't know how to want responsibility… they want the man to carry the load when they need to learn how to carry their own. Men enable that in women… so it is both parties at fault.

  34. Do you know what's funny? i'm from Brazil (another way of life of you americans etc.) and i did the face before he said that i was going to make like the other guys. I met this guy right now, but i already think he's a genius.

  35. you take up responsibility only if in exchange you get the rights you want and come with it. when you leave out reponsibility you are not entitled to that right. rights without responsibility is immature misuse and abuse of things and others, nihilism, meaninglessness. Responsibility without rights is also self-abuse and slavery. So if you want more rights and the ability to use them properly, be responsible for who you agree to being and your rights will always have meaning, will be sustained, appreciated, respected, used wisely… do not take on responsability that will overwhelm you and will give you no rights in return.
    responsibility is acumulated in incriments, to those who have it more will be given, and to those who don't even what they think they have will be taken from them

  36. Interesting, I may add about another splinter group… learned helplessness aside, resignation aside, all that being ones own worst enemy truth aside… what of the group that got the 3.8 GPA in biochem (if they could get into college in first place because impacted classes), but say succeeded somehow, got that and then can't get into a medical field school because they're white male, and schools have been "over-represented", so they're out (thanks "progressive" SJW politics…). and then fast forward and they're living in their mom's basement playing video games resigned and not wanting to go fill out the application at KFC. May want to "pull a load" but burned when tried and not "let in". Equals resignation(?) Sure, keep trying something else I guess then (that they didn't want in first goal). There's that construct factor.

  37. I felt my eyes lit up and i made a growl almost, when Jordan said “then men think, i might not be doing something great but at least ican pick this up from point a to point b”

  38. To start with I am a woman … and I wasn’t offended by this video!

    We are a minority talking to further minor population and deepening our disagreements..
    We are able to create the depth but how do you scale the depth?

  39. On personality tests which measure agreeableness I have scored between 0 and 2 out of 100. It is a real phenomenon.

    It's from mysanthrope, cynicism, doubt, self discust, seeing too much inhumanity and injustice, and an overbuilt bullshit detector.

    I can't figure out what to do with my life AFTER I have already accomplished my dream. Now what? Everything seems gray.

    #stayinfantry.

  40. because psychology is a bullshit pseudo-science the same as gender studies … the big majority of profit is produced by men, women like easy work with little conflict and little competition, … but they have the majority of the vote which will fuck up society

  41. "The secret to life is not merely living, but in what one lives for. Without an idea of what he is to live for man would rather destroy himself than remain on this Earth." -The Grand Inquisitor, Dostoevsky 😉

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