OCPD vs OCD – Know the difference (Part 1 of 2)


OCD versus OCPD what’s the difference and why should you care? Let’s find out. Let me clear something up right away before we dig into today’s topic. This isn’t another video explaining what OCPD is, we’ve already done that. And this isn’t a video explaining what OCD is, there’s
more than enough videos that have been created for that purpose, and I’ll even
link some of the ones I like in the description. Most importantly this isn’t
a video focusing on which disorder is worse, that’s impossible to quantify as
the disorder is as only as bad as the severity to which the afflicted person
is experiencing it. And this isn’t a contest despite my thumbnail. What is
true is that the vast majority of people have never heard of OCPD and the few
that have are likely to mix it up with OCD. What’s scary though, and I’ll touch
on this towards the end of the video, is the number of health care professionals
that mix the two up. So what this video is is an explanation of where the two
disorders cross over, hence the mix-up, and where they’re very
different, hence the need to understand why it’s really important to know the
difference. The name and the acronym are not helping anybody. This is an annoyance people with OCPD have to face. You’ll never say I have OCD and someone correct you too OCPD, but us with OCPD have the inverse happen every time we mention
it. For me personally the confusion is a minor annoyance. What is frustrating is
that I believe the similarity in names is one of the things hindering OCPD
getting a wider exposure. People feel it’s just a version of OCD, so they don’t
see any importance in understanding the difference. That is until you have to
live with someone with OCPD or have a loved one with OCPD. If you’re watching
this video I would guess that you understand what the acronyms are for, but just in case, we are talking about obsessive compulsive personality
disorder versus obsessive compulsive disorder. OCPD is a personality disorder
while OCD is a mental disorder. So this is our primary difference and where all
of the other differences will derive from. A personality disorder, OCPD, is a
class of mental disorder characterized by enduring
maladaptive patterns of behavior deviating markedly from those accepted
by the individuals culture. In clinical terms
OCPD is ego-syntonic, meaning that the feelings one has as a result of the
disorder are in harmony with one’s ideal self-image. Someone with OCPD would think that the thoughts are perfectly fine. OCD is ego-dystonic, the opposite of this.
Someone with OCD would believe that all of the thoughts associated with their
disorder are in conflict with their own self-image, so they would
be unhappy with their thought processes and the irrationality behind them. Those
definitions might not have cleared up a whole lot, so let’s get into what that
means in real terms. People with OCD most often experience incessant and intrusive
thoughts commonly known as obsessions. Those obsessions are connected to highly unrealistic worries and catastrophic outcomes. As a result of those obsessions, they frequently act out behaviors known as compulsions, and those typically
reflect unnecessary and excessive rigid routines. For example, the need to clean
and wash repeatedly might stem from a fear of shaking hands or touching
doorknobs.The need to check something over and over might come from the fear
of something bad happening to a loved one or the fear of being burglarized if
you don’t constantly check locks on doors and windows. Now I’m sure that those of
us without OCD have checked the stove or the locks or an iron more than once from
time to time, but these compulsions do not end at checking two or three times.
These are compulsions that interfere heavily with quality of life. So aside
from the names, these compulsions can be where you find the crossover or
similarities between the disorders. I experience what from the outside looks
like ritualistic or compulsive hand-washing myself. I also favor
organization, cleanliness and tidiness. I act out those compulsions to a point
where it affects my quality of life. So where does the difference come in then.
Well it’s in the thought processes behind the actions. Those experiencing
OCD consider their thoughts to be unwanted thoughts, meaning they recognize that their thoughts are unreasonable and the thoughts cause them a tremendous
amount of anxiety, discomfort and make it difficult to accomplish simple tasks.
There’s an irrationality to the whole thing and they recognize it. In fact, for the
many suffering with OCD that don’t get help, a lot of the time it’s due to
embarrassment. For those of us with OCPD, and to an even higher degree with those
undiagnosed, we view our thoughts as normal and hence that can be why so many go untreated. I’ve covered many of the different ways OCPD can present itself
in other videos, so here it’s important to focus on the thought process behind
it. If I wash my hands a hundred times I don’t view it as irrational or
unnecessary and I can give you an explanation as to why I do it. I can tell
you why it’s the right way to be and why you’re probably wrong for not doing it.
Until the OCPD starts to severely interfere with my quality of life, and
that usually comes in the form of damaging a career or a relationship. I’m
going to be incredibly resistant to change and we’re going to fight
tooth and nail to win any argument I’m in because I see myself as always right.
So with OCD, sufferers are driven by their strong desire to alleviate the
anxiety of their obsessions through the act of compulsions. With OCPD it’s a set
of self-imposed rules that dictate the compulsions and a desire to be perfect
or correct. Those with OCD inherently recognize that their behaviors deviate
from the norm, while those with OCPD feel that the norm should conform to them. In
general it’s probably more likely that the compulsions of someone with OCD take up more of their time than those with OCPD. The similarities are mostly in the
outward symptoms in the compulsions, not just in experiencing and acting out
those compulsions, but in the types of compulsions as well. The impact in one’s
life can be similar too if you’re suffering from either one of these
disorders. Each one can result in anxiety, depression, loss or lack of interpersonal
relationships, hoarding, exhaustion and isolation.
I’m really hoping I’ve helped you to see the distinction between the two
disorders. The real reason it’s important to
understand the differences are because of how different your interactions will
be with people with either one of these disorders. Even more importantly for you
and for them will be your approach in helping them. For the brevity of this
video, that’s going to be a topic for another time. However if you’re in a
tough situation currently and you’d like some additional information right away
please leave me your questions in the comments. Now before putting this video
together I did a small poll in an OCPD support group I belong to online, and
I’ll put that link in the description as well, asking what bothers members when it comes to mixing up the two disorders, and these are a few of the things that came
up a couple of times. Because of how each sufferer comes up with their own
personal set of rules based on the subtype and severity of their OCPD, it’s
completely possible someone with OCPD could be really messy. So for example, if
you have OCPD someone might say to you that there’s no way you have that, just
look at the state of your house or apartment. And on the opposite end,
because there isn’t usually the high intensity of repetition, people that
don’t know you well might think that you just seem super organized and you’re not
extreme enough to have OCPD. Again thinking that the two are the same.
Meaning they’re mixing up OCPD with OCD in their mind. Not always, but sometimes
people with OCPD can be very combative or argumentative and one example given
to me was a compulsion to constantly correct
people’s spelling and grammar online to the point where it was upsetting other
people. It’s easy to come across as though you feel you’re better than other
people with OCPD. That’s a good point as well. That those with this disorder will
many times try and hold other people to their unrealistic and ridiculously high
standards. If you yourself have OCPD I’d be really grateful if you felt
comfortable sharing your experience with people muddling up the two, down below in
the comments. I think that the more we share the more people will come to
understand the differences, so I’m asking for your help. Lastly I’d like to bring
up what I mentioned at the top of the video, and that is that it can be very
hard for people suffering with OCPD to find a mental health professional to
treat them. So little is known about OCPD and this disorder seems to exist in the
shadows so much, that many professionals have very little to no
experience treating it. This is something that’s brought up frequently in support
groups for OCPD. It’s obviously a serious issue and I’m going to devote more
screen time to it, but I wanted to finish with this point because it illustrates
why I’m producing this video, why I created this channel and why I’m
passionate about getting the word out about OCPD. It’s my desire that we can
bring this disorder more into the light so that in the future it becomes easier
for people to seek out treatment and we work together to reduce the stigma
surrounding this and other mental illnesses. Alright guys, thanks for
watching as usual. If you enjoyed the content please hit that like button, if
you have a question please leave it in the comments and don’t forget to
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you guys next time.

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  1. I have both OCD and OCPD. When I first went to my GP, I knew I had OCD and wanted help (mostly medication) to deal with my intrusive thoughts. Since I figured, correctly, that she wouldn't understand what intrusive thoughts are ("no I'm not hearing voices, that's not what this is…") I made sure to bring up my compulsive handwashing, even though I honestly had no interest in getting rid of that. In hindsight it's really funny to me that one of the things that got me my OCD diagnosis, was an OCPD symptom all along, because it was more "typical" than my genuine OCD with few outward compulsions.

  2. Very good information that I feel I can share with people around me, in order to try have them understand me better.
    I however feel sharing something about me as OCPD when it comes to arguments. I am not sure, since OCPD can mask real matters, and the fact I have failing contact with my own emotions in the diagnose mix because of the OCPD.
    But when I am in an argument, I never feel that I have to be right. I however feel that I must be as correct as possible according to sources and for the sake of the arguments correctness I become very obsessive to maintain facts and the objectivity.

    That however present a problem. People view that as if I am "know it all" and start attacking my person.
    Since it take a lot of speech or text to explain things in very detail, to avoid misstakes in objectivity, and the complex matters that usualy is around diffrent topics, people attack me trying to generalise. Telling me "noone wants to hear my long conversations", "that bore people", "my prescense is not wanted" and so on.

    That doesn't help them however; it makes me even stronger in my quest to try make them understand the facts, bringing out sources and it becomes a huge floodwave of information. I lose track of time and how much I been expressing. I always revise my texts many times over, because I am never satisfied with the flow, details and optimisation in it.

    I don't view myself being correct in using references, and presenting them orderly, as being right all the time. Or is it the same thing?
    I see it as an obligation to perform such fundamental behavior. If I do not information is flawed.

    But there are episodes where I have, in social situations, claimed that I am right, while I was not. That feeling of being 1000% sure. The anxiety when realising afterwards that I was wrong, and failed the fundamental routing, is horrid.
    Strikes me like a lighting that it actually was me being flawed. And thus needed to be self corrected.

    But mostly I worship information, and the flow of sources (of details) coming together. And the chains of events and picture of consequences emerge. That is the other thing for me.. I have OCPD; lose myself into storms of details but in time put together bigger pictures. I never finish them, and people have a hard time grasp how complex they are. There are lots of branches going in all directions, and cause great frustration in other people.

    The psychodynamic theurapist I had a while, before I lost him, told me early that I lack intellectual stimuli around myself. That is very true.

    I early came to the conclusion that I need therapy or support talk.

    Another thing I feel so strange is how similar I am to people with Aspergers I know. One person I played with as a kid, and got along very well with is Aspbergers. I never noticed anything about it with him. I also have online contacts with Aspbergers and we can talk for hours and get along very well. There is a clear presence of intellectual exchange.

    Your videos are the most clean and explanatory of them all this far – also when it comes to video and voice quality.
    You are doing a tremendous important and helpfull thing here!

  3. I agree with a lot of what you said. I kind of feel like I started with OCD and then possibly with time or maybe another one of my disorders it changed the OCD disorder into ocpd. there was a time when I was a completely different person and didn't have any OCD or OCPD traits. that's interesting right. when I first started doing rituals they were more like strange habits. I really felt a little awkward doing them but they weren't too much time consuming because there were typical things that most people do. meaning like hygienic stuff. now there were some things that did take up a lot of time and I think that I slowly started to change but anybody will tell you that breaking a habit is not easy. right now I'm just trying to get social support and gain more knowledge and try to better myself on my own because as sad as it may sound I have had many bad experiences with professionals. something unrelated but you can kind of see a connection is that one time a psychiatrist told me that I have autism. some of the symptoms or that of OCD and ocpd. this doctor didn't even tell me my diagnosis and I had to find out months later when I got a copy of my records. it hurts me so much that on the first day I was basically diagnosed with this. years later I go and I get group therapy right and I had to see a psychiatrist even though I had a personal psychiatrist and the psychiatrist there said I don't have any autism. It wasn't even something that they were going to look into. I basically believed him more because he made a lot more sense and he said that he had experience working with children unlike the other psychiatrist. I don't know if you know this but there is a program that was going around in a school where they try to get people diagnosed with mental illnesses in high School. it was so wrong that one parent even complained because she had no idea that this was happening to her child and they labeled this child with OCD and they asked her questions like do often find yourself very organized. there was a video on it and it's pretty controversial. I'm very sensitive to people's opinions so of course I'm even extremely sensitive to professional opinions especially when there's labeling that's going to stick with you for a very long time if not forever. it's really messed up that doctors have to diagnosed with something right away just so that insurance companies will pay. I certainly don't like the chemical imbalance Theory that is widely emphasize to patients. I believe no matter what any condition can improve. it's also very possible . some more likely than others that you can actually recover dramatically, to where you don't even fit the criteria for the diagnosis anymore. I've actually seen some doctors that have the right mindset and will say that hey if they see so much improvement they will even take away that diagnoses and others which are in my opinion more damaging will not consider removing the label or that it's possible that miraculous things can happen. but with so many things going on I could only handle so much and at times I feel like it's not enough and I tried to make baby steps and work on Little Things.

  4. I came here because I wanted to learn more about the differences. It's true that there's not a lot of awareness about OCPD. Good video!

  5. Hey Darryl, thanks so much for making these videos, as someone who suspects they have ocpd you're really confirming some of my suspicions and it's nice to not feel so strange and alone in this.
    I think that as you were saying the confounding of ocpd and ocd, as well as the lack of knowledge and information about ocpd are a real problem. Personally I always knew that there was something obsessive and abnormal about the way I thought and acted, and since I only knew of ocd I mostly looked into that, but never really felt it described how I felt and was mostly left confused. OCD was still the closest thing I could relate to, and I wanted some answer to what I was feeling so I somewhat tried to convince myself that I did have the ocd symptoms that I really don't relate to at all. It didn't help that I had a close friend with ocd that would see my outward symptoms and go "That's OCD!"
    I encountered the same problem when going to see a psychologist for the first (and last) time. After describing my "obsessive thoughts" she immediately began treating me under the assumption the problem was ocd, and because I didn't know the difference I went along with it, whilst always feeling that there was something off about the whole thing. She would ask me questions about my anxiety levels when having thoughts or performing compulsions, and I didn't know how to explain to her that I didn't really feel I did the things I did out of anxiety but because it felt weirdly good. I also couldn't comprehend the fact that while I really hated the negative effects it had on my life, I profoundly didn't want to change my rules or stop following them. Overall seeing the psychologist was a really bad experience, which in retrospect probably had to do with the fact she wasn't treating me for ocpd. It wasn't until I took an abnormal psychology class in college and ocpd was discussed that I had a eureka moment.
    I also very much relate to what you were saying about the fact that since people with ocpd make their own rules, it can really manifest itself in ways that people aren't used to thinking of when they think of obsessive/compulsiveness (orderliness, hand washing etc) and we get dismissed altogether! I'm known as very messy and disorganized, and most people wouldn't understand that it's mostly because my ocpd rules make me so unproductive that I can't manage to be!
    Anyways, OCPD definitely needs more attention if despite seeing a psychologist I had to take a university level course on mental health to find out what my disorder even was! Hopefully with people like you ocpd will become as commonly known as ocd and people who suffer from it won't have to spend years thinking they have the wrong disorder out of ignorance.

  6. Thank you for raising awareness on OCPD! Since being diagnosed a few months ago, I've definitely struggled with explaining my disorder to others. It's almost like they just block out the "P" and go straight to telling me how I'm not like the stereotypical person with OCD. Keep doing what you do 🙂

  7. Finally, someone who understands. I am concerned that I have OCPD judging by how I am and the symptoms you have just discussed, and I want to be diagnosed to be sure. However, my mother doesn't think it is a big deal and dismissed the idea. Why? Some people say it is because of how my room is not necessarily clean. But that's because I have everything in a certain place that I need them to be. In my mind, it is fine the way it is. Another reason is that they dismiss it to be extreme perfectionism and it's not something to worry about. My friends thought I had OCD, but they did not know the difference or even knew that there was OCPD. It really is frustrating.

  8. I have a sister that goes thru closets and drawers to find things to send to goodwill.Some of the items are personel and some are hand me downs from my mother.These hand me dows are rather valuable such as Down comforters or gormet cookinf utensils.Since the 1990s she has has a obsesion with going thru family airlooms and doating them to goodwill.What is wrong with her since it has caused sever family hardship?

  9. Thanks for this Information it was very helpful. I learned that people be who they are and I be who I am on our on level of standards not mine or the next person ..

  10. I don't know if I have it but if I don't do something that I would daily do at that time or I start freaking out when something in my is not in the right order. Does that mean I have OCPD?? Please reply

  11. Great video, very didactic. I'm a grammar nazi myself and saw myself in a lot of things you say. Keep up the good work!

  12. You are talking into that microphone wrong fyi, that mic is a side address mic and you have to talk into the side not the top, your audio quality would be way better if it was oriented correctly.

  13. I have an issue with a lot of things that I realise are not normal or justified such as hand washing checking switches and closing doors but I also think I may stumble over to OCPD I have a rule that if I'm driving and I see a car that I know someone I don't like owns I refuse to change anything whether it be the radio or the temp until I have seen at least 2-3 other cars that don't remind me of anyone I consider to be negative otherwise if I were to change the volume or anything else after seeing what I see as a "bad car" it will constantly remind me of what I saw, who owns it and annoy me the rest of the time I'm driving……… I have multiple other things like his that affect me and I have no fucking idea what's wrong with me

  14. I'm often told by others that aren't as informed that I have OCD, I definitely don't. But I would say I'm closer to OCPD. I did find it intriguing how you said that people would confuse the things that come with it and say that you might think you are better than everyone else, I definitely have that issue and regardless of how I inform them that I'm only trying to help it's take differently. Mine manifests by a lot of hand washing and daily cleaning of my room. It's not only because in my mind I have to do it, but it also sorta provides relief and security of some sort. It's not to the point where it is debilitating because I have the ability to hold a job, for as long as the ritual is still being done. It also makes it very difficult to live with other people because it's a struggle mentally.

  15. I live in a third world country called Bangladesh. Let alone my family, the entire country doesn't think of mental disorders or even depressions to be of importance. I used to think that I had OCD but I never had repeated thoughts and never craved to do things in order to stop them. I have a annoyingly incredible sense of perfectionism, I say annoying because as I've grown to work on graphics designing, I realize in pursuit of perfection, I lost (or maybe never had) creativity. But other than that, the perfections do help me out. I learned about the existence of OCPD a few days ago, saw your video just now. I believe that I'm a perfect match. I have an inflexible moral code, ethical beliefs and tend to set rules to everything I work on, though I haven't implemented any vast rules on my own life yet. I scored 61 on that online test you linked. Since it's impossible for me to get tested in this country, I was hoping to get some confirmation.

  16. I've OCD and I understand totally the differences you describe. One thing I notice about myself, though, is that I have cultured some intrusive thoughts to be comforting… and while I maintain that they are irrational, it is almost as though I've willed them into being my undying and constant truth. That's a whole other thing, though. Brains are crazy.

  17. Thank you for this! It is very informative. 🙂
    I myself am still unsure if I have OCPD or OCD. But hopefully I can do to a professional to diagnose me. (if I have courage to go forward)
    There was a time where I had my black work pen taken without my knowing. It is what I use for my school work, and I have everything in my room placed how I want it to. (I know where everything is) And when someone had taken something that put my whole room out of balance, I freaked out and completely disorganized everything. From my room, to the kitchen and living room. Only, in the end to not find it and break out crying – going into a big tantrum; refusing to work without everything in place. It had caused my mom to go out in the middle of the night to just buy a single pen – which worsened the anxiety, thinking if she was in a car accident, and that I forced her to go out.
    After this instance, I realize how severe and annoying it is. Because I don't want this to happen again; it has happened before but not this bad. It has caused me great anxiety that I don't want to experience.
    Do I consider this OCPD or OCD? They both do seem very similar, but at the same time very different.

  18. The grammar thing is so me! I was diagnosed last year and one of my biggest triggers are grammar and the difference in ocd and ocpd. When people confuse the two I freak out. Also I would like to add that while ocpd can be closely related to perfectionism, that is nearly a compulsion to be perfect. Ocpd does not equal perfectionism. And the two often get confused. I have had many people tell me “you don’t have a disorder you are just a perfectionist” and on the opposite side I have been told “you don’t have a disorder because you aren’t enough of a perfectionist.” I personally have compulsions for perfectionism, grammar, hand washing, and boarders. Hand washing is only in public bathrooms or when my hands touch the porcelain of the sink. And by boarders I mean like if I’m doing a puzzle I have to do the boarder first and when I color there ha to be a color outline before you fill it in ect.

  19. I learned that I am autistic a year and a half ago. I had to use my OCD to attempt to get help for my autism. I believe I do have OCPD but I also have some forms OCD that lie in the Pure O form such as religion, sexual, and violent fantasy. The pure O I strive to work on in order to remove paranoia from my life but I have little desire to change the OCPD as I feel it is part of who I am and in my case most likely stems from my autism.

  20. Great job…for thirty years, i had trouble understand the two…you did a great job explaining it and yes, I do find very little resources or professionals that are good on treating this. Perhaps the root of it is the person who suffers from it don't think they have OCPD. It's hard enough to work on treatments, but if the person never admit of having it, it's impossible to cure.

  21. Was delighted to find this video. It has been such a challenge trying to explain to others the difference between OCD and OCPD. When I attempt to discuss what it is like for me living with OCPD—I get the same comments, "Ugh but your house isn't clean, and everyone has some form of OCD." It has been very frustrating, as I am trying to bring awareness, help them understand me better, and not trying to excuse my behavior. Nor I am l looking for any sympathy. At times it feels like an everlasting battle of seeking to be understood. I would constantly get yelled at when watching tv with others and have learned to keep my mouth shut. I realize I cannot control my over attention to detail and gave up trying to beat it out of myself. People have always asked me what drives me to do the things I do, and why I care so much about catching every detail in everything I see. They tell me how annoying it is and believe I can just turn it off. I truly can't. When I watch a movie, go to an event, drive, travel and in basically everything I do, I can't turn off my focus to detail. I do not know how to watch/view anything in life without noticing the patterns, themes,, color usage, grammatical errors, etc. I do make mistakes all the time and have a fear of completing tasks or sending in final drafts, knowing there is a chance I made a mistake that I may not be able to fix. The thought of misusing a word feels like torture. Something as simple as writing this comment took me over an hour. As much as I am grateful at times for my awareness, I am exhausted with how difficult a simple task is for me, and how everything turns into a huge undertaking. Thanks again for the video!

  22. Well, I’ll do as you ask, as someone who believes themselves to have ocpd. Today I talked to my coworker crush for the first time after years of intense awkwardness, so naturally it’s a big day for me, let’s share. I get really upset when people don’t act the parts I’ve made of them in my head, be it realistic or not. And so believing myself the wiser and more superior, I try to manipulate them into being that role, this of course leads to conflict, no one wants to be manipulated. I know I’m not better than others, yet I always feel like I’m lowering myself to meet others standards instead of having them rise to mine, which frustrates me to no end, constantly having to consolidate my speech because people don’t take the time to listen is, dishearten to say the least. And so naturally ties crumble, bridges burn down and thats when I move to a new city. I don’t know, I’m really tired right now, haven’t slept, confrontation with crush didn’t go so well, they kinda brushed me off. I guess that’s my fault.

  23. You explained it well… People with OCD are doing rituals (compulsions) because they are continuously trying to run away from their anxiety (obsessions). The problem with them is that "their anxiety is not normal". All the things they do is secondary to their anxiety. People with OCD usually want to get rid of these compulsions, but they cannot just do it. Because stopping the compulsions usually triggers anxiety spikes in them, that are so intense that even the idea of stopping straight away makes them sweat and tremble.

    On the other hand, people with OCPD do all the rituals and routines and follow very strict and unbending pattern of actions because they think that is the right way to do things. The problem with them is that "their thinking pattern is not normal". They usually don't see any problem with their rituals. They are only wondering why other people are so different from them. And why other people think they are not normal. It's like you are wearing some sort of special glasses that alter the way you see things.

    P.S
    OCD knowledge is my personal experience too. Whereas, OCPD knowledge is all I read and watched online. Thanks.

  24. I'm now 47 and have just had a confirmation on my having OCPD, not only do I have that I also have bipolar. Every day is a living he'll with my thoughts , they're are like a full on conversation ( I thought I was going crazy n things didn't feel right ) it was affecting everything I do n still does to this day.. Growing up with a strict father and abuse didn't make life easy, up by 6am to make beds, get ready for school, eat breakfast n out the door by 7.30… home was to do homework, eat our dinner n bed by 8pm. No friends, a time limit in going to shops for errands, this was all I knew in life n it carried through to adult life… There's a lot of extras that go with this as explained but I struggle with emotions, self hate n the need for control on which I didn't see anything wrong with until pointed out in this video. Things are black n white, there's no wrong way but the right way — either do it my way or get out of my road , example is making my bed, has to be wrinkle free with the cover n the overhang has to be straight n look even in my eyes. An argument where I'm right you're wrong comes into play when no one sees my point of view but I always have to have the last say…these are a few examples of my thoughts n perceptions that make my days suck, I hate change also, mix these up with having bipolar I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. If I could swap all this for just one day I'd want so I can get some peace but then I'd miss my other half that knows me only too well. Sorry this is long but all in all I struggle every day like I'm in a war zone.

  25. I know I have this but I can't shake the thought that I can just buckle down and be more self aware. I know im an odd duck but I really think the rest of the world is demonstrably wrong.

  26. Just found your videos yesterday and you’re my new best friend!
    I’m extremely calculated in everything I do. I’m constantly paying close attention to details and changes. So not much can slip by me without notice. I’ve found that specific trait to be a great positive, but also occasionally a curse, as I have little patience for people who don’t do as I do. Regarding cleanliness (you’re gonna love this) I almost never find it necessary to wash my hands after using the bathroom. Actually I have a genuine dislike to washing my hands without having lotion nearby, as I absolutely hate the post wet hand dry feeling. Obviously I love to wash my hands if they’re noticeably dirty after work etc, but lotion is a must afterwards. I also like a tidy house, but am very selective with what’s important to me to keep clean/neat. For ex. I could care less if my house is dusty as long as there’s no dog hair on the couch/beds, the floors are vacuumed, and the kitchen counters are cleaned. Things generally need to appear in order and I definitely prefer a more streamline less clutter look. I’m basically a lazy obsessive person. It’s super interesting to me how certain things can trigger me while certain things that might bother a “normal” person won’t matter what so ever. It’s like there’s absolutely no continuity or pattern to my obsessive behavior. Also keys should be hung on hooks, jackets need to be hung, and things thrown down out of place definitely effect me. I also find myself being somewhat lazy in life and doing certain activities, because I know they will need to be done correctly or a certain way, which in turn will cause stress so I’ll just avoid things altogether. I know I suffer from OCPD, because just like you explain, I think I’m correct and everyone should think along the same lines as I do, which can turn into an annoyed feeling or outwardly expressing my annoyance/frustration.

    My girlfriend who we share a 4yr old son is completely 100% opposite. She’s a tornado and throws everything everywhere. Completely care free with mostly everything she does. She’s also 100% the reason why I’ve discovered this in myself and am so mindful of it all. At the beginning of our relationship it was extremely hard for us to co-exist, as my OCPD directly threatened her feeling safe and accepted. I started therapy when we first started dating and still do till this day. I’ve recently stated seeing a vastly better therapist, which I’m very hopeful will help more than the others. My girlfriend and I ended up having a child, broke up a year later, remained close for the next 2 years and now are back together for the past 4 months and I’m committed to making this disorder more manageable for her to her to be around. She’s also watched your videos at her own desire and finds it very interesting, which in turn makes things easier for me to know she now has a better understanding about me and what I face every minute of my life. Finding you and being able to put a name to this life I’ve struggled with for so long is a remarkable feeling. Keep it up and thank you!

  27. I am a professional organizer and productivity consultant. Most of my clients refer to their ADD, ADHD, and/or OCD and I always ask if this is a real diagnosis (the terms are tossed around quite a bit as you know). I will be working with a client diagnosed with OCPD and wanted to make sure I understood the difference. Thank for a very clear comparison of the two. This was very helpful!

  28. I agree that it's generally quite dangerous to self-diagnose and that most issues on interpersonal relating and relationships are approached and worked on by addressing the specific problems involved, such as in therapy and with friends and family anyway, which are also shared by most people to some extent, but as far as I've experienced there are a couple of reasons to recognise such collections of problems and their severity as disorders and that is that the severity can make those suffering with the disorder perceive themselves as dealing with a different situation altogether and feel like there's a high chance of others not being able to relate and thus not get the support they need, and realising it as a disorder implies that it affects other people too, even if maybe not as commonly as other issues do, and that implies that support and understanding is at least possible and worth pursuing, instead of dealing with it in possibly less healthier ways, like potentially wasting energy trying to distract oneself from the problem, hiding it, confusing it with reality and potentially hurting oneself and others as a result… etc, the other reason I've experienced is that if it's ego-syntonic like a personality disorder then it's very easy to either think that you're either right or wrong, a good person in a world full of mindless zombies or a bad person in a world full of better people, and realising that it's, specifically, a personality disorder implies that there are reasons for the individual's behaviour, such as childhood trauma and abuse, and although this doesn't alleviate the responsibility from the individual for their actions, it does allow them some acceptance to feel that there is a possibility of fully integrating and being accepted by society, provided they try to work on their disorder.

    I'm not diagnosed but I've come to understand that the function of diagnosing most illnesses and disorders in general is to provide treatment to the problem in an efficient systematical approach to a large mass of people, and so diagnosis depends on what treatment is offered and this depends on where people live, what clinic they go to, what times people live/have lived in and how things work depending on this, i.e. people are misdiagnosed, re-diagnosed, undiagnosed and diagnosed differently depending on how it's assessed and what theories and 'schools of thought' are used to measure the person's behavioural and subjective responses. I wasn't diagnosed because I refused medications, didn't provide a good enough reason for why I needed their specific psychological therapy, and as the assessor seemed to agree with me, I didn't present a risk of physically harming myself or others, and thus concluded that they didn't see what treatment they could offer me, however, the only reason I was allowed an assessment specifically for my mental health was after taking a test on an assessment for Autism, ADHD and Aspergers, which I was found to have none of, despite being diagnosed with a not too disimilar developmental disorder at age 5 called Semantic Pragmatic Disorder, which has a lot of symptoms of Aspergers in the social domain, to the extent that some professionals diagnose children who present all of the social difficulties in Aspergers but who do not display enough of the sensory challenges, with SPD. The test was called the Millon Clinical Multiaxial Inventory, and it showed after taking that I scored 'above clinical significance for: Borderline Personality Disorder, Schizoid Personality Disorder, Avoidant Personality Disorder, Passive Aggressiveness and Self Defeat'. How I interpret all of this is that I currently appear to generally have an attachment disorder, and specifically experience difficulty with empathy, social anhedonia, obsessive compulsive personality, apparently not to the extent that I'm suitable for a diagnosis where I live here in the UK but enough that I have to remind myself to be nice to others, set a realistic and workable pace towards goals in the same respect and to avoid too much self doubt, and to make those who I feel I love and trust enough aware of behaviours they may find concerning, which I can't fully explain and guarantee complete control over, regardless of minimising their danger, just so that I may feel enough acceptance to trust in them and to work through issues with them, that is if I lack a stable sense of self to realise that I am the one being accepted, and so such explanations provide a conceptual medium, a strawman that represents other people with similar trust issues in which to simulate that love and acceptance, which is at the root of such disorders.

    I can say that my obsessive compulsive personality is real and that many people do not tend to agree with me, and that I don't appear as someone who has a set way of doing everything every day, however, my thought processes about how I live my life are very much an endless philosophical debate with myself over what the 'optimal' way of life is for someone like me, and I will get fixated on such ideas and make all of my decisions based off of conclusions that I temporarily feel I've come to and the process in which I change my mind is very rigid and I gravitate towards controlling all aspects of my life so that the things that influence how I think and feel are slowed down, so that I can come to these 'conclusions' and make all of my decisions as imperatives of them in order to achieve the optimal decision making process in my mind. I assess the value of things in terms of their 'likelihood' in my survival and try to gather all of the latest insights and research into what we are and how we work as human beings to obsessively speculate some definitive inkling of a purpose or optimal approach, back and forth, in order to have some generally more consistent range of 'targets' to aim for in terms of every decision I make in my life… the result? Ironically chaos.

  29. I was just recently diagnosed with OCPD. I myself have never heard of it. Should I be concern? And, so does this mean I'm egotistical? Lol, sorry just trying to understand.

  30. I believe I am usually correct and most people are usually wrong, so I go off on them. They are unprofessional, liars, lazy and stupid or just annoying and I have to let them know. It leads to horrible arguments. Fast fwd to a year or so later and I am exhausted and now depressed and AVOID all social contact. No one acts right anymore. It's miserable. Now i am full of hate and anger.

  31. My hatred of failure has made me hate myself for failing. I was robbed in a bad real estate investment from a family member. I hate myself for those bad decisions and CANNOT STOP regretting and living in the past…help!!! I think about my mistake 24 hours a day even while I'm sleeping

  32. I learned the difference years ago and am still alarmed at the lack of knowledge from the EXPERTS.. I also took much abuse for bringing the subject to light. Mainly from the OCPD's. My son is a sufferer leading on to anorexia nervosa and I see many sufferers who go on to make a living out of their obsession i e healthy eating keep fit etc.

  33. i just met a girl with ocpd n if i sent her more than 5 txts she goes into freakout mode thinking the world is ending n its nice txts n her brain wont allow her to take the info n i just wana send a txt n say things

  34. I'm struggling to know which of these disorders I have.
    Basically, my mind look for defects in the things I like until it finds, then my mind locks into a loop of thinking of the defect found and the compulsion is kind of trying to forget the defect. This gives me a lot of suffering and I hate it that my mind works like this. I took all kinds of medication and none helped, not even a tiny bit. Do I have OCD or OCPD?

  35. being OCD myself the fact that the sound is slightly ahead of the video really got to me LOL. but very good info ty.

  36. At your point I don't think it's about being diagnosed with OCPD. It looks like you've embraced your flaws and blamed your OCPD which made the situations more of a struggle for others and blinded yourself to your flaws as actually wrong…

  37. -I feel the need to say the letter "Z", so I often make weird buzzing noises annoying some people
    -In fourth grade, I would take a step (say it's with my right foot) and then need to step with my left foot twice, then to my right. I would also need to hold them down for a certain amount of time, then jump to make sure they're equal.
    -I don't have a computer mouse, so when scrolling, I need to make sure that each two fingers have the exact same amount of time.
    -When playing an online game (with arrow keys), I feel the need to use all of the keys before the round starts, even if it causes me to lose.
    -When I was younger, I would want to kiss all the toys and stuffed animals in my room goodnight, so I'd blow fifteen kisses in the air, say goodnight, good morning, and good afternoon to people all over the world in a specific way. If I missed a night, or week, or more, I HAD to make it up. The most was probably 70-90 in one night.
    -My room isn't clean, but if an object is ever so lightly off, I have to fix it. All those "Show this to your OCD friend" don't affect me as much because they're so obvious. It's the things barely shifted.

    help.

  38. Crippling procrastination due to the fear that I may not be capable of performing the task (in my case the fear of doing college homework) is an OCPD or an OCD symptom?

  39. I would like to share something. Wow, this is very hard for me all but I need and want to share. I'm first off not a doctor nor can give professional advice. I feel OCPD has ruined many opportunities in my life regarding relationships with women. Career field I'm always on top of, always have a backup, sometimes take on extra work to save money for rainy days so therefore I'm very blessed and lucky in the career field. Relationship life, not even close. I'm 38, a USAF Veteran no kids, never married, average looking and been told by some women that I'm the best guy they ever came across, have a lot going for me, tell me awesome things about myself that it's hard for me to believe, etc… Today I snapped at a new potential g/f of mine. Everything just started to overwhelm me in just the 5 days of knowing her. There was too much good if that is even a thing. I mean, everything was good but so good I never had a break. She slept over, left some stuff here with my permission, etc.. Maybe we just moved to fast but it felt right at the time until a split second it didn't today and I snapped and said just take your stuff with ya on the way out, mostly simple bathroom stuff, no clothes or nothing was here to begin with in just 5 days. We had a long talk after that and in the end no matter if I have OCPD or some signs I'm going to talk to my counselor about it Tuesday and see what she says. OCPD symptoms I equal over 90% of them just from reading online and what she educated me on being in the field of medicine herself. I'm already on Prozac for anxiety/depression which helps a lot but, could this be something on top of anxiety or do you all feel this could all go together and perhaps try to shift my therapy sessions in a different direction?

  40. Hey great video, I just have one small correction for you.
    This was probably just a little word blip, but you said that "OCPD is a personality disorder whereas OCD is a mental disorder". Actually, personality disorders are mental disorders, so they're both mental disorders. Its just that OCPD is a personality based disorder, and OCD is an anxiety based disorder.
    Hope this helps anyone who may be confused, or maybe (to the creator) if you're reading this, you can correct it in the subtitles or something 🙂
    Thanks

  41. I was married to someone with OCPD…divorced now after 38 years of marriage. My daughter actually was the one to diagnose him when she was going through her psych rotation in medical school. She recognized her father's personality and sent me info about it. Please continue to discuss this! I get very frustrated by people not understanding the differences between OCPD and OCD. The tendency of my ex husband to think he was always right was the major problem in our marriage…the inability to change or be flexible. One example…he ruined several batteries by using regular water instead of distilled water even though multiple battery stores and mechanics had told him otherwise. He insisted on wearing yellow sunglasses even at night swearing that it made everything brighter…and had no idea that other people don't run around at night with yellow sunglasses on. He was messy at our house because he saw that as my area but was meticulous with his work area…absolutely nothing out of place. He was a police officer which from reading I have done, is very common for OCPD people. But he had major problems when bosses tried to get him to alter his patterns of work such as where to park or how to do paperwork. He always felt he knew more than his bosses…especially if his boss was a woman. He does not value women at all. This is rather funny…since he seemed to have inherited this from his mother. His parents were hoarders and saved everything. My ex husband had no empathy and would do things like running around doing traffic stops after hours when his mother in law was in hospice at our house and was dying. Yes, it was a horrible marriage and we fought most of those years. I am so glad to be out of all of that stress!!

  42. I have combined OCD-OCPD. The biggest way to discern between OCD and OCPD is do you like doing the action/compulsion? Do you feel it adds to your life in some way or makes you better?

    OCD – Nope. Hate doing it, it's pointless. Re-tucking my shirt for 20 minutes is not just annoying, but very unsettling. You can unaware of it (like I was) but you beat yourself up everytime and have NO EXPLANATION as to why you're doing it.

    OCPD – I LOVE my self imposed rules and routines. It makes me feel complete. I journal and meditate everyday, multiple times a day. Exercise 5-7 days a week. I organize everything in my home from ascending to descending order left to right. Stack and group things in accordance to some association that's important to me and makes me feel like everything is "in its place".

    The problem is, he's right. I'm facing dismissal from med school right now. I'm chronically late unless my stress is bar-none and I'm able to "beat" my OCD. The OCPD makes me turn in assignments at 11:59pm because they're never "done." I spend 2-3hrs on email for the "perfect" wording. I think my way of interacting with patients is the "right" way.

    OCPD is VERY resistant to change. If you think your way is right why would you change? Most people with OCPD are HIGHLY Successful. Most of the billionaires have self imposed "rituals" (coincide? Probably not).

    I'm also very successful in my field. I like to apply for positions and scholarships and take as many leadership roles as I can.

    Because I love what I do.

    Only faced with certain demise, losing my career and entire way of living am I finally willing to admit the problem is me.

    I was diagnosed with Moderate OCD and told "Oh you must've have no insight (also an OCPD identifier) about your actions and just thought you liked them!" Nope. I think my routines make me better, more me. I think anyone can and should do them. That's the difference.

    Learning I had both was VERY hard. It took me about 4-6 weeks of reflection and endless amount of research.

    Hope that clears things up.

    If you have OCPD look into projection. Maybe we're "right" but our interpersonal struggles are OUR FAULT. The world isn't out to get us. They just don't understand us. They probably neve will but that doesn't matter.

    What matters is can you understand yourself?

  43. Hi – I was diagnosed with psychotic/severe depression and OCD when I was 18 (my mother died when I was a baby and my primary caretakers also passed away, so I was sent to the country to stay with my grandparents). You can imagine how many incorrect diagnoses I received from confused CAT teams and therapists. Some thought I was bipolar, some schizophrenic, it was a nightmare. I was having suicidal ruminations and the compulsion was to commit suicide, so I literally had to stop myself from killing myself and the thought of harming others. But I never ever wanted to die…..ever, and I knew my mind was tricking me. Even then I knew the difference. The ruminations were horrific to say the least. This happened in episodes, so I would have a ten minute anxiety attack until the episode ended. I was eventually directed to the head of psychiatry at the Alfred Hospital and this man saved my life. After realising that the anti -psychotic drugs were just putting me to sleep, he ruled out psychosis and discovered that the depression was probably acute and my serotonin levels would return to normal in a year. The psychosis I had was from the misdiagnosis of bipolar disorder and incorrect medication. In a year I woke up to hearing the birds and my depression was gone. I was still deeply scarred from what had happened and but I am not depressed and haven't taken medication since. I do have OCPD, and like you, I don't like being on camera and I have created my own set of rules and regulations that alienate people. I'm very aware of them and I work with children, so it tempers me. But because I'm so sensitive to my OCPD hurting anyone, I often can't tell the difference between my perceived rules and real world rules. This is hard because my sister and my father have raged at me for the way I have regulated my emotions through 'my rituals' and I no longer talk to them. I will show them these videos and maybe your words can help heal my broken family. Thank you, Claire.

  44. How did you come to terms with the idea that your thought process was not optimal?

    Is it easier for you to be flexible now that you accept that your thought process isn't optimal?

  45. Fantastic video. I work in OCD management and care currently. I feel this is a great synopsis for those who are entering the field, so that they can more easily recognize the tell tale signs of OCPD.

  46. Hi You have this rwong in the way that both are mental disorders ocpd effects everything from relectionships and the way you see the enviroment around you in the fact that you need to controle it. even relationships.
    most people with ocpd have few friends and will not make friends you do not mentian socail anxiaty do you realy have ocpd

  47. So true about OCPD-people wanting to correct spelling and grammar! One of my major faults… It would be a good training and practice for all of us who see a comment that we like but dislike the grammar or spelling to "Like" it anyways. That would disarm some of the perfectionistic mentality.

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