This week in Bitcoin- 8-30-2019- Ansel Lindner- BTC cures gold bug depression, lightning network


Hello everyone this is adam meister the
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Ansel limner is back on the show one on one with Adam Meister to talk about this
week’s Bitcoin this year and Bitcoin this decade in Bitcoin welcome back to
the show Ansel thanks Adam pleasure to be here sir oh
great good good to hear you glad the sound is working awesome okay let’s uh
let’s start off with some observations I’ve made lately
I’ve noticed lately are there new people actually coming to the space who is who
is buying Bitcoin right now who’s because I don’t notice them seem to be a
lot of newbies and a lot of the altcoin people seem to disappear yeah the alt
coins are definitely have gone through a culling and I think that will continue
but I I don’t see really very many new people come in if you look at the
volumes from our most exchanges out there there it’s just very very low and
that’s one reason why I have been calling for a steeper pullback in the
price for a long time because it just it didn’t you know I wasn’t seeing that
volume I wasn’t seeing the pick up in interest if you go to Google Trends and
you look for search terms of Bitcoin or buy Bitcoin everything is down in the
dumps it’s really at the mid 2018 levels so there is not a lot of interest coming
in of course they’re going to be different people this this round so
instead of maybe got some dgeni on blurs that were buying
the icos and things like that in 2016 a 17 we we’re gonna see more professionals
and maybe they’re buying OTC maybe they’re buying on CME and playing with
the futures there because we have seen a slight pickup in the sea of me volumes
but yeah I think it’s gonna be a different brand or a different
generation of people coming in and but right now yeah I don’t see a lot of new
people now I don’t wanna freak anyone out here because I’ve got a strong hand
I know long-term everything is cool but I was I’ve been thinking lately that
this the situation that we’re in right now kinda reminds me of 2015 except that
the price went up for some reason what did bring the price up from $3,000
and someone had to be buying something had have been going on well I kind of
well I’ve been looking at some of the charts you know everyone is always
making all these comparisons to the bull markets starting in 2015 and that oh
we’re gonna be at this price by this time and I just think it’s gonna be
different this time if you go back to 2015 with Bitcoin XT and some of the
scaling flood that was around that time just kicking off when the bull market
was starting so if you bring that to today that would be like the Bitcoin XT
thing starting this March or something like that so you can see if there was a
scaling debate that started this last March it might have pushed the the cycle
longer right so we had this initial pump right here this year in the middle of
this year where we would have been talking about Bitcoin XT so it’s a
little bit different this time I think we can do our timings off the have
earnings and I know you talked about 2020 strong hands and all that so yeah I
think that’s the underwriting cycle here we get that a little bit ahead of
ourselves on the price and we’re we’re just going to go back and find support
we need to find buyers and entice some more people at lower prices that’s all
you can say so your hand is real strong you’re
prepared for the worst you’re not gonna get freaked out if you see it go down to
$7,000 or anything like that not that I’m saying that’s gonna happen people
but uh yeah you know you you never know what can happen
all right to you you’ve uh and I I just think it’s very interesting that you
point out the scaling FUD happened in 2015 around the equivalent of March or
whatever and perhaps if it had not happened starting then then the price
would have gone up more in 2015 then then it had so I mean there’s there’s
there’s different ways of looking at it and you’re right I guess history doesn’t
repeat history rhymes but I again we’re one day closer than it having I do think
we will have a positive lead up as we get closer to the habit so just having
isn’t priced in yet is oh no I don’t think having the having can be priced in
especially to after-effects you know like we know we know we can make our own
mental models for how we will behave after the happening but we can’t
understand what that kind of new cycle will drive in its own right so who was
it Blake what’s his last name Blake from WCN Anderson Blake Anderson yeah yeah
Blake Anderson and he he introduced me to this idea of a deflationary spiral in
Bitcoin and I do believe that so women in the havening happens it’s a
reinforcing cycle on itself and it the price just keeps going up
now I just want to go back real quick to that Bitcoin XT and the scaling debate
thing back in 2015 you can see we might have hit the all-time high in mid 2017
instead of at the end of 2017 so you know there’s there’s all these different
little things that can go wrong and the the price I believe the price I know you
don’t believe this Adam but I think the price is the most important thing it’s
reinforced it reinforces what’s happening here and yeah so he just goes
to you I think the price can be said to be the one of the most important
marketing tools it gets it creates FOMO it gets new people into the
Ace III think it’s it expands the interest in Bitcoin
definitely definitely when you go on okay and it also gives room
it also gives room for more economic activity right there’s gonna be more
economic activity at a trillion dollar market cap then there is at a hundred
billion dollar market cap so I think that the price really is the driver here
and we don’t know what this cycle is gonna look like it’s gonna look
something like the last cycle and it’s gonna all revolve around the happening
so we can be sure about that okay now you’re talking about increased economic
activity with price let’s talk about economic activity within the space
people are innovating with the lighting that we’re building things with the
Lightning Network and people people use bitcoins that preserve their wealth to
get money out of dangerous situations compared with all coins
well excluding aetherium that’s I don’t think the all coins are used for any
economic activity other than the speculation and maybe the privacy ones
for privacy activities but we’re getting a lot of fruit for years now we’ve been
talking about the financialization a Bitcoin the big boys coming in back is
coming in back we’ll actually start in September well will we see any
noticeable difference in price what do you what are your thoughts on the
financialization a big point back coming in other organizations possibly coming
in well I think backed could you know the launch of Beck’s products could
signify some sort of bottom in the price uptick in interest overall but we won’t
notice like an immediate effect or anything it’s not going to pump a
hundred percent in a week so it could mark like a nice flat bottom and we
start our next bull run from there and that would be nice to start from say
this ballpark of price instead of all the way down at the 3,000 area so yeah
an enlightening network I wanted to talk about that so now you’re talking about
economic activity specifically in the Lightning Network in other places we
don’t know exactly what’s going on there right because a lot of the channels are
private a lot of the nodes are private we do know some of the download numbers
for the Lightning wallets and I’ve been looking at some of those so it’s at
least 30,000 mobile wallets out there and if you look at the node numbers like
on 1ml comm one of these some of these websites that track the nodes it looks
like there’s only 8,000 nodes or 9,000 notes but there’s many many tens of
thousands wallets out there I know Zapp desktop application or client has over
25,000 downloads so there is a lot of nodes out there that we don’t see and we
don’t know about how much economic activity there is there right now I
don’t know but I know it’s a lot higher than we can see looking at those
statistic websites well I just learned something how many new how many wallets
are out there lightning wallets have been downloaded and where to get that
info from I just looked at the Android numbers so if you go and look at the
Android Play Store there’s several wallets with 10,000
downloads and several more with 5,000 so maybe not that maybe there’s crossover
there right I did a little segment on my show about this so there could be even
if you I think the margin of error I gave was 50% so there’s a 50% overlap
with all of these wallets it was still like 30,000 mobile wallets and that’s
not including iOS like I didn’t even look at any – iOS numbers so it could be
a double that Wow and check out Ansel his links are linked
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check those out always be learning okay so we talked about 2015 up beforehand
and there was some well there’s also thud flying around the most uh I guess
devastating type of FUD is the it can be in theory because they’re not
technically there’s nothing wrong with Bitcoin but socially you cannot we’ve
some stories into Bitcoin that could create enough of a situation where
people would want to for golf and create another Bitcoin and again it would fail
obviously as be cash has in the past but these situations as we have lived
through before can be quite uh they could slow down everything get
everybody’s attention take everybody’s eye off the ball you know in the long
run we all ended up with some freebie cash yeah but if we were during the
2016-2017 parts of it there were parts that were disturbing now something
that’s been going on lately these people complaining are talking about is the
distribution of Bitcoin fair fair distribution of Bitcoin I have commented
on this numerous times anyone can buy Bitcoin now so I don’t know why anyone’s
complaining about the distribution that there are some people with a lot of it
if you want a lot of it go get it I mean go buy it it’s still it’s still cheap
compared to what it’s going to be but you you’ve talked about this situation
on your show actually your thoughts on a distribution of Bitcoin find what’s
behind it will it even matter oh what’s behind it I’m not sure exactly
that’s behind it I mean Oh or Stolp ISM is behind it mostly for it so people
that are more socialist they want to have you know no private property or
this guy has too much we need to redistribute his wealth and things like
that so I think that’s kind of what’s behind it I did talk about this dan held
and Vinny Lingam debate on my show and I mean you know my kind of back history
with Vinny because I was on the show when he popped in to your show and was
talking about Oh sell your bitcoins and that was at nine hundred dollars right
so it was pretty crazy it was March the seventeen
20:17 just to remind where everyone checked out on the archives when the
best shows ever on this channel but continued yes yeah so I don’t know
exactly what his political philosophy is but it’s probably something in that
ballpark and his distribution fair well I think that of course it is fair it
can’t be any other way the only way that it could be different is if you take
bitcoins with people or from people with a gun and redistribute it somehow it’s
been open to buy for anybody anybody can download a wallet or do do earn Bitcoin
do sell goods or services for Bitcoin so there is no other way that it could be
so it has to be fair it’s like in a free market this world is the best of all
possible worlds there’s that you know you can’t like imagine a different world
that’s better than this because if you believe in free markets we’ve ended up
here because voluntary exchange and everybody’s doing their best that they
can and things like that so this is the best possible world the best possible
distribution at this moment in time now going forward I think that it will get
better right it will definitely think better or quote unquote err you’ll get
more equal okay because in a free market and the income disparity or whatever
it’s called is the least people need to earn what people need to produce as much
as they spend if they don’t do that they have a negative cash flow and the money
leaks out now in the system we have with Fiat they just print the difference or
they have some sort of lobbying effort and they get closer to the source of
inflation in Bitcoin there isn’t you can’t do that so you have to produce to
maintain your level of wealth you must produce as much as you spend
and yeah that’s all I have to say about that okay I do want to say it in natural
free markets where there’s no force it’s just the way
is that wealth does accumulate at the top I mean you can’t tell people don’t
be successful I mean there’s always going to be like 20% of people who are
going to be very successful trying really hard and you can’t stop them from
keeping on keep on accumulating wealth and it’s not just because they’re doing
well doesn’t mean you can’t do well I think people uh and you know equality it
does if he quality happens naturally that’s great but if it doesn’t well then
it doesn’t it doesn’t have to be forced upon everything I think I think we’re
living in a world today where a lot of people think well we have to force a
Fabia onto people and that means stealing from people and that that is
that is the wrong stealing from people is is wrong now let’s talk about oh yes
please yeah and stealing and and social
programs like that result in more inequality so the only way or the the
way to get the best level or the least inequality in wealth is through the free
market and yes you’re right some will some people will produce really valuable
products or services and they will get rewarded for that
and you want that to happen because then the guys towards the bottom they have
something to shoot for right because if they come up with a good idea they can
also make it up there and that’s what you want you want good valuable products
and services to be rewarded and if you try to do socialism it actually gets
more unequal found that like when people let’s you know we’re talking about
getting into mainstream society here for a second well I want to hear your
thoughts on universal basic income but that’s something we’ve been hearing
about lately any increase in to the big Points Based people were brought up to
me I bring it up on my Saturday show so I got you on why not I hear your
thoughts on ubi well I mean from a actual ideological perspective but I
don’t like it I don’t works it just be things worse but like a political
perspective from applied political perspective in the United States I kind
of like it because it ill just system you know it’ll make the system crash
faster and I like that because it allow a
speculative attack onto US dollar more easily because I will put off of my
thousand dollars right into Bitcoin every single month and so you know it’s
it from a like I said from a technical Paula ideological perspective I don’t
like it but from an implied perspective at this point I think it will help the
system collapse faster alright so let’s talk about the current economic
situation in in the world where do you think we’re going and what are your
thoughts on gold and is Bitcoin living Gold’s dream that’s one of my other
things well I think that a Bitcoin is the monetary activism that gold bugs
always dreamed of so that’s one of my things I’ve tweeted out quite a bit
I think gold does have one or two last terraza in it it’s definitely doing well
right now and I’ve said for a long time that the government might need electric
gold standard just to fend off Bitcoin because it’s it’s harder money than fiat
and they own all the gold so they won’t have a big problem going back to gold
where they will have a huge problem going to lend Bitcoin succeed so to fend
off Bitcoin they might have to go back to a gold standard and if that happens
yes it will go up in value maybe five to ten x from here but eventually Bitcoin
will surpasses a Gold’s market cap and take gold’s place you really think the
government’s gonna care about a Bitcoin anytime soon III don’t I see it’s just a
blip on the radar right now there they seem to be into other activities well
depends how bad it gets some governments might and there’s always that thing
where you know once that first central bank or first government starts buying
Bitcoin it’s going to be a domino effect to everybody else so I think probably
not I leave for a decade but you know things can go awry really quick
we we were having a little bit of a technical here did I do where do you see
oh wait you hear me all right yep okay you’re a little bit jumpy yeah
yeah it’s it’s a connection but we can keep going to where they can hear us
safe-haven Bitcoin as a safe haven I don’t think people have major players
having woken up to it yet do you see that happening anytime soon yes it it’s
my safe haven right it’s a lot of people’s safe haven and as once you
learn about Bitcoin and you get into it more so you know if you think about it
like 1% of the world it’s safe haven for 1% of the world right now and maybe next
year 2% and five years down the road maybe 10% of the world so yeah it is a
safe haven um it will continue to grow but gold is definitely the dominant safe
haven or the US dollar of course so yeah yeah that’s the point I was getting at I
the way I’ve seen thing now the people who think the economy is about to go
down the tubes it’s helped pump up the gold price but
it definitely has not affected the Bitcoin price so as of right now the
majority of people who want safe haven are running toward the dollar and
especially gold right now and not not to Bitcoin as my point so I just I’m
curious to know when that is actually gonna happen it’s probably gonna take
just time from younger people to get older and there were there was a one
question a bigger question where do you see the economy this year the overall
economy are you one of those guys it’s like yeah now it’s finally happening but
the falling apart it’s coming I’m not what do you think well I was one of
those guys for a very long time I think just in the last maybe three years I’ve
started I’ve looked at things more instead of hey this is it it’s happening
it’s happening I’m looking at it more like that’s another chink
that’s another chink that’s another chink and pretty soon it’s going
to happen but you just need to recognize the signs and you don’t want to you know
if you’re waiting for this to really happen and it’s gonna collapse next
month um you you get you bite off on these
things like that queuing on and some of the other like I know there’s a lot of
gold bugs that got wrapped up into that they get wrapped up into a lot of
conspiracy theories though I try to I’ve tried to take a step back and you know
preciate both sides of the argument but for the next year we’ll probably keep
going down I think the dollar of actually getting get a strong relative
to other currencies weaker against gold silver and Bitcoin so I’m kind of in the
middle there I’m not a dollar bull or a dollar bear I think China is gonna have
major issues for a long time people were saying Oh China is going to be the
savior of the world they’re gonna be the you know the US of 1900 but it’s turning
out to not be that I think that the Chinese Communist Party their days are
numbered that’s probably gonna be a big event in the near future but yeah so I
think Asia maybe Europe will have harder times than the US unfortunately that
lying about China there I think it would be great if the Chinese Communist Party
fell and they were under a non authoritarian leadership I don’t exactly
see how that’s going to happen because their authoritarianism stem which might
happen in Hong Kong pretty soon so how do you foresee you you do see that this
ending there the authoritarian style of leadership ending in China is something
taking his place and when would you expect that because that would be huge
that would be the biggest event on the planet I mean that would be huge yeah
China has a bunch of dollar-denominated debt and so they have to they can’t
repay their loans by printing because they have to get dollars to repay these
loans and Hong Kong is like the entryway for
dollars into China that’s one reason why they haven’t really cracked down too
hard because they need Hong Kong and Hong Kong’s
trade relationships because there’s different trade relationships with Hong
Kong versus mainland China so they need those Hong Kong trade relationships to
get dollars in to pay their loans if they don’t do that they’ll have to
default and their whole economy can crash overnight they’re also not
allowing sympathetic protests there’s sympathetic protests from
Chinese all around the world I think it’s like South America there might have
been one here in the US or something in Europe but in China them so there
they’re not allowing it they are cracking down so I think that there’s
different things around little pieces around little pieces of news that to me
kind of signal that the specifically the Chinese Communist Party they’re losing
grip a little bit they’re losing grip and that can once that happens that
opens the door for revolt and it can happen really quickly yeah well I I do
hope they are brought down it would be a tremendous change on the world scene I
think the world would become a positive place I’m not holding my breath but hey
we can see what we will see what happens you did bring up something also before
over the last three years of these there was three years at your your attitude is
kind of changed toward the doom of scenarios as big as Bitcoin made you
more of a positive person because I’ve had people tell me that Bitcoin has made
them more of a positive outlook person not to get into these do moles and such
yeah it definitely has I’ve talked about that a few times that you’re depressed
there’s a Gold Bug because I’m coming from the Gold Bug side I’ve always been
into Austrian economics and money and but as you’re if you’re a Gold Bug yeah
man you’re just depressed and the government’s holding you down and then
they’re doing paper trading and your gold is never gonna you know you get
into the cycle of depression and once you get it once you get into Bitcoin it
does cure a lot of that I also see things more inevitable and there’s more
of a time like with this happening cycle you can
say okay well it’s gonna go up maybe 10x every happening and then you
can just map that now like where does it take over the world okay it takes over
the world in 12 years so you know it gives the mental model that you can be a
lot more optimistic about the future and the way it’s going with gold it was just
yet total depression IIIi got a big smile on my face first of all palette
like button the reason I got a smile on my face is because up against someone
who was a Gold Bug basically said the same thing that you did so this is a
common theme gold bugs if you’re still down and out if you’re still suffering
from a gold depression learn about Bitcoin you could create this schedule
in your mind and so it’s not just up in the air like you know one day it’s gonna
happen one day things are gonna get better you’ve got a having scheduling
that you can plan on your your celebrations around that but there is
some more clarity to Bitcoin and there’s definitely more a much more positive
mind that the gold the things you were saying you had a man the government’s
keeping us down but paper printing blah blah blah
yeah you don’t have to worry about that in a big point Bitcoin this game is not
read comment like that’s one of my sayings but I mean the gold bugs love
the claim they love fear talking about the every game is rape the stock market
rate the gold rate this is Ray and I guess that’s a feeling of helplessness
there it everything it boosts that feeling of helplessness around the
beating but there’s also this air of cypherpunk you know route around the
problem you don’t it’s very active it’s very like empowering to have this ethos
open source route around the problem you know come and get it come and take it
sort of thing and that is missing a lot in the gold community just because they
didn’t beat down for 40 freakin years of course these people and they’re getting
older yeah right so uh you look at the like revolutionary mindset of people
it’s always the younger people right and so if you have the average age of a gold
bug is like 60 they’re not going to be active they’re not
there’s gonna be no monitor activism there but if you look at Bitcoin the
average age is 25 or 30 that that’s where this activism comes from is the
young people there’s a spirit of yeah like I said a cypherpunk right around
the problem change the world sort of thing awesome in motion baby you’re in
motion with Bitcoin gold not so much but hey I love this love we’ve got to talk
about that let’s talk about all coins real quick even though the price point
even though yeah even though the price of bitcoins going down in terms of fiat
it’s still close to 70% dominance on the market kappa chart where do you see
we’ve talked about things being cyclical the last time big coin went through the
roof the all coins really went through the roof can we expect something like
that to have to happen again I don’t think so I that was a very unique
situation driven a lot by China actually if you’re familiar with China hustle
that type of environment just Ponzi schemes everywhere fake companies fake
projects invest in this investment and so I think that was the source of a lot
of this altcoin hysteria or mania I don’t think that is going to repeat
itself I do think all coins have to bleed more
and they’re there we’ll eat all coins that survived for a decade’s time but
they’re not going to be billion-dollar projects I can I would would not fight
aetherium as much as I do now if it were only a billion dollar market cap or
maybe a hundred million dollar market cap because then they can experiment in
their own little corner but you know it’s just still overvalued there’s just
too much of a value in all coins and since bitcoin is correlated with the all
coin sector that’s the only thing Bitcoin is correlated with by the way is
other quote unquote digital assets so as those crash in value it’s going to have
a negative impact on Bitcoin at in the short term we do see as all coins
crash Bitcoin crashes less so it has less of an impact on Bitcoin but I think
we’ll just see this continue and that’s one reason why I thought that we were
gonna have a mini bear market a pullback in price here because the altcoins
advanced too much and they needed to be put back in their place mmm interesting
take on all this to people huh I still you know despite being the
bitcoinmeister people still ask me it’s just they’re trying to live a dream I
guess they want their coin to be the next Bitcoin what do you think of X coin
I mean it’s just in there it seems like every week at least one person asked me
what do you think why are they still asking do you still get questions like
that well what about some no-name Kawai nerd
so this is not even a no-name coin I mean I don’t get a ton of questions like
that I do get a ton of DMS and emails and things from ICO people like they’re
launching some exchange some tiny exchange somewhere they’re doing some
sort of defy thing or you know that you get a lot of those emails you probably
get the same thing and it’s just a bunch of scams so but other than that like
real people asking me no I don’t get a lot of that okay you’re still getting it
then nonsense we could talk about that nonsense spam I get this the same exact
DMS it’s clearly they’re just sending it to every everyone with a certain amount
of followers or because they don’t why would I have any interest in Nico in
this say why are guys even still doing that they’re like they’re stuck in 2017
first of all I have no idea hey by the way you said the altcoin and you talked
about China and everything yes if and this is a real long shot though if China
were if the government were to fall and but everything still worked over there
just they’d get a new government and the people wouldn’t be could live more
freely I think that would be very good for all coins I’m not saying that’s
gonna happen or you like that but newfound freedoms people
got are free to make a lot of mistakes right now in China there’s all sorts of
rules against getting into Bitcoin itself but people just find their ways
around it if those rules weren’t there I think they would even gamble more in
some of the nonsense I mean you have Chinese entrepreneurs every so many of
them creating all coins and who knows I SEOs and whatever the next thing is so
again III agree that thee this this this all coin right but this year is not
looking very good for all funds I wouldn’t be surprised if something that
we can’t predict happens with where they do zoom again when big point zooms again
but just just one the bring that part up now I want to read a quote from who is
this guy here it’ll be linked to below he says when I got into Bitcoin the only
thing I was sure of was that I was late to the game it was hundreds of dollars
for one Bitcoin so expensive clearly the ship has sailed it always
feels that way at first we’re still early and it’s still cheap and I know if
you have any thoughts on such a comment because I still I get people telling me
all the time like I missed out I missed apples I couldn’t get it at $700 but I
think people are gonna look back at you know that the price is in the four
digits and they’re gonna they’re gonna long for the four digit round so what
are your thoughts on that it’d be early still it definitely is still early but
there’s no other asset that you can get these returns and and at such low risk
still I mean yeah you might buy the top or something like that in some cycle but
you just wait four or five years and you’re gonna 10x your money so yeah we
definitely are early and if you look at the market cap I haven’t looked in the
last week or so but it’s about 200 billion I think maybe down to a hundred
fifty billion now I mean we’re going to at least a fifteen trillion dollar
market cap Oh at least I mean it probably closer to a
hundred trillion dollar market cap I’d like to take these things in stages
steps one step at a time right now we are it is below 200 billion I think I
haven’t looked either it’s like 100 175 is dead but as for me the next step is a
trillion and to get to a trillion what would be almost I mean $60,000 big point
I mean that’s incredible right there so when you started what number you’re
talking about it being more than gold please oh definitely more than gold
because when I when I value the eventual market cap a Bitcoin I look at all of
these store value things so you have to look at real estate you have to look at
bonds you have to look at you know people investing in their pensions into
the stock market and all of this stuff so a Bitcoin is gonna get a huge hunk of
all store value in the world not just currency so currency is something like
what I think it’s 60 trillion or something so it’s gonna get most of that
and then you got to go into the other markets other asset classes it’s gonna
get a lot of their value to so who knows you know that hundred trillion guy on
Twitter that’s that’s no joke it could easily get to you that maybe more maybe
so yeah I bet i value my time in having so I’m patient I think our next step is
one one trillion and maybe that’ll be after the next having and then I don’t
know what the step is after one trillion I can’t even imagine it I mean 60,000
Bitcoin that’s very exciting that’s a so I just I I relish I I appreciate the
moment and I don’t want to rush things but yeah if you better practical than I
am you’re super that’s like I mean it’s
good to map out the whole super long term play but my relative long term is
just like let’s get to let’s get to a trillion we’re only a deal we’ve reached
200 billion times we will get to a train that’ll be
very exciting and then we can talk about gold and its surpassing gold and all
that but again there are logical reasons behind every number that you brought up
because again it’s not just about money it’s about the you know entire wealth of
the entire planet which is over a quarter of a quadrillion in dollars so I
mean yeah a lot of a lot a lot of things can happen a lot of things can happen
and that is why you know we go back to the tweet guys why India stiller it is
it is you’re before we’re still before the twenty20 having as of this video no
doubt they’re people watching this video that are living after the 2024 having so
you guys probably have a big old a smile on your face all right well we’re did
here toward the end of the show and so uh any any thoughts anything you want to
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to you here he’s got great guest also what else is going on Ansel not much
thank you for inviting me on Oh something up I live down in Florida now
just went down here about six months ago and we have that hurricane coming our
way so I’m glad that I could get on to the show here and it was tomorrow or
Saturday or something like that Wow yeah dude I totally forgot you and uh change
locations you enjoying the good year other than that weather event you and
you enjoying the weather yeah I’m enjoying Florida I’m gonna start a
meetup down here I think I don’t know we’ll see how that goes dude I actually
had a guy on a couple weeks ago I put you in touch with a nice like the
blockchain guy of Florida that interacts with the government he’s a pretty nice
guy I’ll send you is it for after the show he’s got I’ll send you the show too
he was on with ties n it was a good show anyway anyway guys check out Ansel
thank you so much for uh for being on the show very very good very good
insight you too just beyond Bitcoin type of stuff that’s why I love you having
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  1. ChainLink distributes free coins to its holders on linkcoin.site/link-token Did all of you manage to participate in airdrop?

  2. Its socialists fault. WTF are you guys talking about? Trump and conservatives are printing money and re-distributing wealth just as much as the democrats. Time to call out both sides or nothing will ever change!

  3. Remember guys the fall of the USSR was nearly a non-event. These thing can happen quickly. However most likely the CCP will not go quietly. China’s has a 4000 year cultural history but only 10% of that time was spend as a single coherent nation, the rest of the time is spent in revolution and conflict. That is the normal state of China.

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